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Interview Review: Julie Gammack in Conversation with Aaron Parnas
An incisive, intergenerational dialogue on digital activism, political disillusionment, and the evolving American narrative
In this wide-ranging and nimble interview with Aaron Parnas, we pull the curtain back and hear what one of today’s super-sharp political commentators thinks.
Over the course of 56 minutes, listeners are invited into a candid, sharply observed, and refreshingly unscripted conversation with a rising voice in progressive digital media. Parnas, a 26-year-old lawyer and political communicator, offers more than just a millennial's hot take—he brings lived experience, historical awareness, and strategic clarity to some of the most pressing challenges facing both political parties, the media, and the American electorate at large.
From Boca Raton to the Beltway: A Personal Journey
Gammack begin with “Where are you from originally?” and go from there, divinginto impeachment trials, disinformation, and broken party machinery. Parnas, poised and transparent, outlines his fast-tracked academic path—completing high school and college simultaneously, graduating law school at 21—and growing up as the eldest of six in Boca Raton.
Despite being the son of Lev Parnas—a key figure in Rudy Giuliani’s Ukraine operations during Donald Trump’s first impeachment—Aaron emphasizes that his household wasn't politically engaged until 2016. This distinction is crucial: the tension between personal legacy and independent identity becomes a thematic thread throughout the interview.
Witness to a Tumultuous Era
When asked if he met Donald Trump, Parnas doesn’t hedge. Yes, he did. And, he calls Trump “one of the best manipulators you’ll ever meet.” It’s not said with admiration, but with analytical precision. He dissects Trump’s charisma, blunt messaging, and ability to make even skeptical insiders feel “seen.”
His recounting of Rudy Giuliani is even more sobering: an image of a once-respected legal figure now “drinking himself to sleep” and spewing bigotry behind closed doors. It’s a devastating portrait—one that only someone on the inside could provide, and one that carries the added weight of disappointment rather than disdain.
TikTok, Substack, and the Future of Political Communication
In a rare and valuable juxtaposition, we discuss the differences between Substack and TikTok. The contrast between short-form video virality and long-form reader trust plays out in real time, as Parnas outlines his strategy for reaching different audiences: TikTok for speed, Substack for depth. His dual fluency in visual and textual communication is no small feat, and Gammack rightly positions him as a kind of next-gen media hybrid.
He explains how he gained over a million followers on TikTok during the Russian invasion of Ukraine by sharing firsthand accounts from family on the ground. The result wasn’t just digital clout—it was a moral response to media disinformation. That sense of duty to inform runs throughout the conversation, never self-righteous, always grounded in fact.
Gen Z, Apathy, and the Democratic Party’s Blind Spots
Parnas is at his most insightful when discussing young voter behavior and the Democratic Party’s branding problem. “Trump is our normal,” he says, pushing back against nostalgic messaging that assumes younger voters remember pre-2016 political norms. He argues that young people do turn out to vote—but often for the wrong reasons, or the wrong candidates—because the Democratic Party fails to offer a cohesive, relatable, or inspiring message.
I asked a million-dollar question—what would he do with $100 million? His answer isn’t ideological; it’s journalistic. He’d build a media platform dedicated to fact-first reporting, not partisan hot takes. “I’m tired of Abby Phillips and Scott Jennings yelling at each other on CNN,” he says bluntly. “I just want the facts.”
Messaging, Misinformation, and Missed Opportunities
Throughout the interview, Parnas lays out a devastating critique of the Democratic Party’s communication apparatus: it’s fragmented, overly intellectual, and allergic to repetition. Republicans, he points out, stay on message from Fox News down to micro-influencers. Democrats, in contrast, splinter their messaging across issues and platforms without a central theme. “We have so many good things we want to work on,” he says, “but no one wants to stay on message.”
His prescription? Simplicity, consistency, and a healthy dose of authenticity. He argues that progressives don’t need to become propagandists—they just need to tell the truth clearly, early, and often.
Community Organizing & Party Reform
Our audience jumps in with thoughtful, grounded questions about rural organizing, grassroots independents, and whether it's time to look outside the party machine. Parnas supports hyper-local, year-round voter engagement and critiques the national party’s “election-season-only” mindset. He’s particularly passionate about investing in state parties, pre-voter outreach in high schools, and building long-term trust with voters—even if it’s more expensive.
His three-point message for the Democratic Party is strikingly clear:
The economy (again and again)
Year-round engagement
Simplify the message. Then stick to it.
Final Thoughts: A Mirror and a Map
We give Aaron Parnas room to open up, reflect, and critique—but she also anchors the conversation in real-world Iowa organizing, multi-generational skepticism, and good old-fashioned political curiosity.
Aaron Parnas is more than a content creator or digital activist. He’s a case study in how someone can be formed by politics, scorched by it, and still be committed to reforming it from the inside out. He doesn’t ask for blind loyalty—he demands better communication, stronger messaging, and more trust in the intelligence of the American people.
Final Verdict:
This interview is essential listening for political organizers, media strategists, digital storytellers, and anyone trying to understand why traditional narratives are failing—especially with Gen Z. In Aaron Parnas, we see a potential bridge between an exhausted political generation and one that’s still deciding if democracy is worth its energy.
Here is Aaron’s substack column:
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I’ve created a new column on Substack to keep those who are interested informed about the agenda. I hope you are interested. Here’s one I just posted about why you want to write a memoir:
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